Evnroll putters are the only putters with gearing technology, which helps steer the ball back to the target. Im with you guys on the rest of robot testing though, I think it to be fairly useless with ballstriking just due to angle of attack, lofts, lies, spin, etc. Have been playing golf for about 55 years. Many golfers need the lighter head weights in their putters. You can hang on to it for 10 years and it might be worth more than you paid for it. In this case, were talking about putters, specifically Evnroll putters, and the man behind it all, Guerin Rife. The ping works much better on slower surfaces as it accelerates the ball off the face better but on the quick surfaces its harder to keep the ball close to the hole on longer putts. Theyre behind on this for sure. Have a great weekend. Using a putter whose combination of mass, length, and other physical characteristics suits your swing is the most important first step in putting well. Our job is to put those claims to the test. Aesthetics matter. Ha! Overall I was very hesitant to fork over almost $500 AUD for a putter but after just one round I am totally convinced it is worth it and I will be using this putter for the next 10 years easily unless there is a new better technology that comes along. Or if they are coming to any? Your mis hits are better and it truly rolls the ball better than anything else. The truth just sounds different.". As youll see below, weve tested it. Glad your investment is more of a concern than your putting to lower your golf score? funny, that the biggest advantage is on short puts exact the opposite of what is to expect, if the ball is rolling the same distance in the same line, on off-center hits Sometimes acoustics in a room can vary impression. Ill have to take your word for it. We just found this particular review a little hyped and the Gearing claim is what many of us are put off by., steer the ball back to the target, in particular. We have contacted them and let them know. Has anyone tried the Pyramid Putter? Callaway Epic Forged irons - Reg flex Steelfiber, 4~AW, new! #PowerofTheClick, Yeah, that would be sweet! Ummm.what is the article about and what are the conclusions, if any? Were they all under 5 handicap. high . Tried to go to their website, but get an error any idea how to contact them? Thanks for the previous info on the Evnroll. Align the ball in front of the toe-side dot for right-to-left putts and the heel-side dot for left-to-right putts. Firstly, there was a video we saw detailing what the putter could do. Im getting the speed down very quickly and excited to see if my stats drop measurably over a full season. some like heavy, some dont, (I like lighter for long putts but heavier for better stability on short putts). Im most interested in the 5 and 10 foot results (my misses). Must be a weight lifter. Its not only the individual putter but the visual message it presents stacked alongside 15 or 20 putters of the same brand. Today, we review the Inesis High MOI Putter. Just want to say that my dealings is not the same models that you are mentioning. A clean, identifiable look is paramount for brand recognition and we sort of got away from that, admits Rife. So robot good for a couple things, robot not so good for finding the overall performance of a product in real golfers hands. Which is the type of putter I play. I tend to think putters are a very personal thing. Golfer are a weird bunch people Ive had five putters in the last 37 years. Evnroll technology is the culmination ofGuerin Rifes long career, and the results suggest its nothing short of a masterpiece. Basically, the details that matter to Rife as a designer also matter to the end user. That means providing you with equipment reviews you can trust, Love the evenroll technology but they headweights make the borderline unusable. Odyssey DFX Double Wide 1 499 kr. $329I dont think so. I wish he had a center shafted half blade/mallet in line with something like the Rife Uno. Dont agree with the claims. The face tech is real and works. If robot testing was the best way to test putters you can trust us that it would be the way we would test. Thanks for a laymans explanation. My setup was completely wrong and we fixed it. I can tell you that this putter flat out performs. I describe it as the ball holding my intended line instead. Conversely, for Evnroll, its an either-or proposition. I am surprised, as a so called independent tester, you folks yourself did not call out Envroll for marketing hype of this product. Call it a head-to-head test against only the best. Just waiting for some more left handed options. Would probably have been best if they made sure their website was up BEFORE posting this article. It was more like slapping the ball around. Gear effect is an aerodynamic producted effect and not a ground produced effect. Of course, choosing the right line, and speed, is a matter of reading the green, which is a skill which comes only with practicelots and lots of practice. 15-30 are the most common distances for most golfers. ER2 - Evnroll US ER 2 Rated 4.94 out of 5 based on 87 customer ratings 87 A shorter, wider heel and toe weighted flange blade. Actually they are all good EXCEPT I can't stand the sound on the 5. What gives? Notable is that the conventional steel-shafted putters performed slightly better at 10 feet. Companies make a product, then price it double what similar products cost while saying its special. 5 Testers Needed! If he truly has improved on those grooves, then this putter will perform. Though this provided a measure of validation, some designs proved to be too similar which is why you dont see them on the market any longer. 5 Testers Needed! Im sold and I doubt Ill ever move to another. When he's not coaching the local high school team, he's probably on the range or trying to keep up with his wife and seven beautiful daughters. For 10 and 20 foot putts (and even some 5 foot putts) different green speeds could have a very significant difference in the putter accuracy. As others have mentioned no lefty options? Like other companies, Rife purposely overbought certain pieces of inventory so that, as he says, we can sell as many putters as people will buy., Scotty Cameron is the 800-pound gorilla in the room when it comes to putters. So which is itrobots good, or robots bad? Imagine using a robot to perfectly test straight strike vs 1/4 miss to left/right vs 1/2 miss to left/right and comparing the numbers. Even a deviation of 1/8-1/4 from center is super common. Logic would then tell you that youd have to put a stronger stroke on this putter than a standard putter. It would also violate the laws of physics. Functionally, this means Evnroll isnt likely to dive head-first into the small-batch, limited-release market. Point is, a tightly grooved face does impart truer roll, believe it or not, Ive seen it for myself and has made me a believer and a better putter. As a result, Rife reshuffled several vendors, altered a couple of processes and believes his brand is in a better position now than in 2020. And its amazing that no one has thought of it before. The Evnroll ER2 required 9 fewer putts to complete holes at the 10 distance. whereas the technology should help more, the longer the distance (due to geometrical reasons) I would whole heartedly disagree with that assertion. Ill wait a few years when its $99. Gravity is from up to down, not sideways. Patented. So for this example they are a great display of how this technology works and why it is so effective. It does also soften the strike which would require some adjustment and where standard face or shallow milled face putters seem to meander on past on a breaking slick downhiller, this putter seems to have a much more consistent distance control capability that stays near the hole. Is someone on the payroll of Evnroll? I absolutely love my evnroll. Then you say its the higher ranked putter because of its SG18 of 1.51, but in your 2015 most wanted putter overall winner you show the Ping Cadence at SG18 = 2.07. This graphic isnt just a fancy piece of marketing. We believe the answer to Evnrolls surprisingly strong showing lies in its grooves. Your article also omits any comments about left handers so maybe they still arent making any progress there? I could easily see the technology working for a high handicapper as well. I removed the original grip-weighted shaft and replaced it with a conventional shaft and grip which gives it a nice heavy head feel (400 g mid-weight head face-balanced ) which translates to a smoother stroke instead of a hit! I used to roll my misses a foot or two past the hole. Its only one round and I actually played quite badly (weekend hacker trying to get better) overall but putted well. The bigger nerds are going to cry foul if those words are used. The grooves job is to even out the distance on offcenter strikes. Same but the W/S Bucktown. The SG score is a RELATIVE scoring system, so it will change every time based on the putters it is being compared too. All Hype, no substance! Claims are just that, claims. I am unclear as to the point you are trying to make with that statement. When it comes to putters I listen..the Carbon that was tested has been in my bag since last fall and Ive done very well in tournament play where I live because of itand Im a custom putter guy..if the stats bear out with the ER2 then I will be even happier! ODYSSEY O-WORKS #1: RRP 179. or frustrating for consumers who expect the opportunity for an annual update. ALL of your HOPES and DREAMS behind this click: Scotty, Tri-HOT, Taylor Made SIM Galore, Fuji Pro, Callaway Heads - Rogue ST TD LS 10.5/Max 3HL/Max 7W. Glad to see a robot in the test (and mention of robot testing in a couple other articles recently). Lets go back to what piqued our curiosity about this technology. Unfortunately I had a money game the next day and couldnt wait for them to order a new one. What forces are in play that are making the ball curve? Because the forces involved in putting are so low, and the ball is rolling, not flying through the air, the location of the center of mass of the head of the putter has virtually no effect on the path of the ball. Head to head! I have been interested in trying out the CR5CS with the Gravity Grip but I never see anyone having one in stock. The odyssey is an older putter with a soft insert in the face to slow the impact down. Did you change your mind yet? Secondly, some indication of the handicapps of each of the testers would have also been useful. What about the lefties? I think thats a real shame but I also understand that theres not much reason for them to go buy his putters just to include them since hes such a narrow niche. Sincerely, At 20 the PING Ketch Mid again finished on top, with 3 Evnroll models finishing within 3 putts. Did you see the video of robot testing? Case in point: Evnroll Midlock. Not sure why more people arent rolling these putters, George low wizard Jack Nicklaus used model. Full disclosure I bought an Evnroll 6 (Im a mallet guy) last week and have played 2 rounds so far with limited practice. I wouldnt worry about absolute value for that reason, but rather, where the score sits relative to the rest. I honestly couldnt read any further after the curve back toward the hole comment. $359.00 satin black Hosel Length Yes No Maybe the lefties should kneel on the first tee ala kapernick for the lack of respect toward the south paws. Nothing else changed. If you spend $400-$500 on a driver, why not a putter that is definitely great. What if we told you that we saw itmake balls actually curve back towards the hole when mishit. Had my er2 in the bag now for the last couple of years here in Australia and am yet to see another. Lefties are not a big part of the market. Results matter. He can handle us disagreeing with him or challenging his claims politely like a gentleman. You would think most of the curvature back toward center occurs in the first foot or 2 followed by a somewhat straight ball, but there has to be some influence to the side as well. Evnroll Er2 vs my current gamer Odyssey white ice 2. Sure it takes a bit of getting used to, but is well worth the effort. How about instead of screaming the world is flat! From your soapbox, try one out, see if theres a tangible difference. We are currently working to a 5-6 business days build time plus shipping for each putter. Brief content visible, double tap to read full content. This one was a little high on the hype level. If the swing path and the face are not perpendicular the ball starts offline to the extent of their divergence. Do you have any time-lapse photos taking during your testing of this putter than can show your readers that in fact this putter produces gear effect related curvature of the golf ball? The evolution of Evnroll requires a return to a cohesive, unifying, identity. At least mentioning what speed the greens were for the tests would have been useful. I bet the people at Ping and Odyssey wont be too far behind with bringing out something similar to match it if they can. You cannot paste images directly. Hi Mick, I called them earlier to order a putter. I am a mallet style person but cant seem to get the ER2 out of my bag! I will say this. BMart519. Ping Eye 2 Iron Set 3-9+SW Black Dot Karsten Regular Graphite Mens LH. Las mejores ofertas para Putter Evnroll ER1 / 34 pulgadas estn en eBay Compara precios y caractersticas de productos nuevos y usados Muchos artculos con envo gratis! Our AI tool automatically assigns a score from 0 to 10 based on the collected data. Well I revisited the ER2 at my PGA Store. Put differently, Evnrolls face technology allowed mishits to travel the same distance and end up in the same spot as putts hit in the center of the face. Theyre available at PGA Tour Superstore. Having gamed several Rifes in the past, my opinion is that grooves do put a smoother roll on the ball, and Rife himself has an eye for a clean design (even if the shapes are highly derivative/copies). As far as my some strange reason for wanting it dead off the toe. Thats a bold statement. It has helped me big time. Put differently, Evnroll established itself first with gearheads and consumers who held performance as the only worthy metric. Thus, if you are hitting your putter in the center of the face, the tech does not come into play. Legal proceedings aside, Evnrolls sales continued to climb. Practically, this means the brand will feature a single black-and-white color scheme that includes the grip and head cover. Either Rife and his team use available resource to produce retail models or they use those same resources for prototyping and special projects. Almost nobody disputes this. C $298.29. I loved the sound, the feel, and the performance. Distance control was very uniform as advertised but being on a flat, indoor surface it is hard to know if the accuracy is significantly better than my current putter. Your call. Sometimes technology seems to change literally overnight. If a putter does not come with removable weights I wont buy it. This leads me to believe that they would be great putters for fast greens, but would take a lot of getting used to on slow greens. You might want to stop and re-read that last sentence. We are currently working to a 5-7 business days build time plus shipping for each putter. greater distances should exaggerate the deviations caused by normal putter faces. Ok I heard about the New Evn roll putter and stopped in to check it out today, Jamie helped me and was very knowledgeable and helpful regarding putters ended up getting the ER 1 putter. wonder if anyone on tour is using it yet? i read the review and the results are impressive! Essentially, they have engineered a sweet spot hit to react like a mishit as far as distance is concerned. I have the ER6 and yes, I know I have to hit the ball a bit harder. May have to after this. If Rife is making putters, an Evnroll ER2 will be in the line. It is hard to believe for many golfers when traditionally they have been marketed too with little to no performance that backs up all the previous claims. The one cool thing about the ER3 is that off-center hits is that it does kind of bring the ball back towards the hole. By raskal21, March 26, 2020 in Putters Followers Reply to this topic Start new topic raskal21 Advanced Members 795 Feedback 86 0 0 Total Rating 100% If anything a weighted head requires more feel but that is my opinion and my experience. Tried one. Lets check it out. Walter Im not from MGS, just a reader. I have two putters that I use a lot, an odyssey and a PING TR cadence. Probably best if they made sure evnroll.com was up before posting this. Since the birth of golf, there have been tens of thousands of putter designs. In the end it didnt matter because he had game and he had been using that same putter so long that he knew exactly how to control the distance. And most golfers need the most help for those distances. Fan for life. We would love to have you to our facility, this way you can see the test for yourself. When striking a ball, that is going to counteract the normal straight line deviation of an off-center misshit. My earlier round I played around the course much better and thought I had putted well so to get 5 puts less when I was playing quite badly saved yesterdays round IMO. You can see it straight away. But never say never, maybe Id be convinced to try another Rife designsomeday. I started making putts. Evnroll ER2, 33" Evnroll ER11v, 33" (just in case) Link to comment . ^^^ thinks $300+ for a putter you use every almost every hole is high, but probably willing to spend $400+ on a driver that is only used 7-12 times a round if that..priorities LOL!!! Also, Ill never understand how only a test with only 10 participants is acceptable these days. The biggest complaint about Evnroll putters has to do with speed off the face. If it doesnt work for you then, feel free to walk off the edge of the earth. I decided to try something different. http://instagram.com/evnroll. Does fast downhill putt get corrected less than slow uphill putt? I love the ER2 but, the LAB Mezz is phenomenal! Refine and evolve. Thats Rifes mindset as Evnroll seeks to broach the smedium company size category. At the end of the day I just couldnt deal with the blocky knock feel off every roll. Now if I could just find someone around here who HAS Guerin putters. They will be out of business in less than five years. When you think about that, its kind of amazing. However as you have pointed out MGS, you can set up a robot to hit a ball however youd like. Do some research. Been in the bag for 5 years., and nothing has come close to making me what to bench it the Scotty X5 can get off the bench. That made finding the vertical sweet spot a bit of a adjustment. I have owned my Evnroll Er6 for a couple months now and I can tell you that it is the best putter I have used. These look really interesting, but the price point is insane for something you likely cant test out at your local golf store/ pro shop. Nike Golf to Focus Exclusively on Apparel and Footwear. It would be like asking Alice Cooper to sing some nursery rhymes. The dots also assist the golfer on aligning breaking putts. It beat out a Ping Sigma Tyne and Scotty Future 5. Well, that is exactly what our testers saw over and over again in our lab. Ive been playing since the mid-1970s. This is the only case where I could have seen a robot being used effectively to give us a really good test. Sufficed to say that were 100% confident that many of you can absolutely lower your score by doing nothing more than changing putters. Sorry to say but this claim is bogus as it defies the laws of physics. It was that impressive. Like a high handicapper believing paying $4+ per ball will make him/her better. Guerin Rife has been around a long time and the Evnroll putter does exactly what it claims and looks great doing it. This keeps the ball travelling on the high side of the target line..I can certainly back this up, it really does keep the ball above the break. This is my favorite golf site and Tony is my favorite author on here. They only just made it but they made it! Information. Showing the even longer distances will either show its worse or whatever and is very important to know about the characteristics of the putter versus other putters. Dont be cheap if it brings you pleasure or better golf scores. Hoping someone can give me their impression of the Evnroll ER2 vs. the Stroke Lab Double Wide? Everything else is between the ears. Were they all 10-20 handicap or more, or mostly under 10 handicap. Have several rounds in now with it and it is, without a doubt the best putter I have ever used. Which we did. In touch with them already ? I tried these at PGA Superstores as well and bought the ER2 instantly. Millions of dollars of R&D and still very little data that suggests newer tech is better tech. One thing that I dont see is the test at 30. Ill bit I want one. Lastly,, perhaps their own zero- torque shaft (Stability)) that is optimized for their head designs. Remember what Netflix did to Blockbuster stores? Odyssey DFX One 1 499 kr. MyGolfSpy, Inc. All Rights Reserved. (Unless it includes ice cream and Dr. Pepper. We all remember what titanium did to the driver. Would you spend $329 on a driver that you use about 8 times a round? So what makes the grooves on anEvnroll Putter any different? Putting is not as mysterious as most people make it out to be. Blah, blah, blah bottom line, gotta make money, blah, blah. We damage our credibility by telling you what we observed in our testing? THAT would be the putter to beat all putters! I know the golf business is very tough, but this company could be the next failed Rife venture in 18-24 months. Had a putter fitting 2 months ago, had the Er2 on my hand. This make me wonder if the EVNROLL putters over-correct slightly on longer putts. People regularly spend more for putters that do less for them. It felt like you were hitting wood or a wrench? The performance has carried over to the course and practice green. strange things happen. Once they try it they will see for themselves. They are at PGA Tour Superstores Currently. Five years ago, Rife stated, with tongue firmly in cheek, that our goal is modestwe want every foursome in America using Evnroll putters.. What is important for people to know is that the Gearing only works if you connect with the ball on an off center hit WITH a square face. Evnroll putters are simply too heavy 370gm heads. Took at least 9 holes to get used to the distance control. The spacing and design of these grooves are designed to ensure exceptional distance control. Kinda feel like wood or as if i was stroking the putt with a wrench or something non-putter. After seeing videos of this technology we quickly reached out to Evnroll putters and asked for samples to be sent to the MyGolfSpy Test Facility for further evaluation. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. I wonder if anyone who has played these has experience. Ive gamed Bobbys for a long time and have always wanted to see his putters included, but MGS has stated over and over that Bobby declines to participate. I played 27 with the er2 yesterday and Im a believer. Not true. In 2017, we traced Rifes story from his roots as an ad agency art director to one of the most highly regarded creative thinkers and putter designers in the game. So happy with the performance. No lefty clubs offered. Too light at 370 Gm ? I removed the grip to put the larger Evnroll grip on it and realized that there was a counter-balance weight in the end of shaft. Thanks for your help, much appreciated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQBmo2nemU0&spfreload=10 The best putters ever made are, used putters why because they are only used once for half the price. Question, I bought a used Evnroll ER-2 from my club that someone had traded in. A decade of data we have collected shows no correlation between Sound/Looks and Performance. No bribes, please. I hate putters with offset, and that is the only thing they offer, so even if it gets more consistent distance and curves balls towards targets Id never feel comfortable using it, nor aligning it. #PowerToThePlayer. In the end the only thing that really matters is squaring up the face while having the proper aim point and speed. I am sure I can sort this out quickly with a bit of practice. satin black Length/loft/lie adjustments * In the meantime, which popular putter design would you like to see Evnroll update? Ping did come out with Variable Depth Grooves on the Ketschand that is what My Golf Spy tested the Evnrolls against. Bought an ER6 a few months ago. Thanks for the link. Nothing beats a Scotty!! Classic design with evnroll tech would be awesome. Sorry, Karl, but gear effect is not an aerodynamic phenomenon. A plain-face putter (one w/o grooves) doesnt make the ball come off the face at an angle just because the contact point is not at the center of the face, at the so-called sweet spot. This is what we call disruptive technology. I went and tested them at PGA SS and to be honest, the lack of good feel trumped benefit that the technology could provide. The Bettinardi Kuchar 35 model has this sweetness as did the original black cameron Golo from 6 years ago. I know its industry standard to have 10-20 people in these type of tests. The evolution of Evnroll requires a return to a cohesive, unifying, identity. Face material, inserts or various metal compounds. Feel free to contact us at [emailprotected] if you would like to visit. I know Odyssey is the #1 Putter on Every Tour but Scotty Cameron is still the #1 brand to which every other milled putter is compared.. By the way the Snell golf ball does everything mygolfspy has claimed..and Dean Snell is a class act to boot!! No future? Lucky for you, one does. Although they are very limited. We believeEvnrollputter technology can do for golfers on the green what titanium did on the tee box. #dontknockituntilyoutryit Evnroll ER2V or Scotty Cameron Squareback 2 - Putters - GolfWRX Home The Bag Room Putters Evnroll ER2V or Scotty Cameron Squareback 2 APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! I assume you would have to hit it left of center to generate a right correction. Also, I was able to try 2 of these models yesterday and can say the one thing I came away with is they felt very weak off the face. What it showed was something you wouldnt believe unless you saw it for yourself. The Evnroll ER2 required 9 fewer putts to complete holes at the 10 distance. This is a new frontier in putter design, and potentially the most significant putter technology since the Anser, and TR Grooves. Nothing feels like.. Are we NOT trying to actually hole putts?? Evnroll ER2v MidLock 5 549 kr 6 199 kr. I bought the ER2 on eBay for $279am waiting for delivery..I have complete trust in the testers on this site as Ive not been steered in the wrong direction yet. This time I brought in 2 ProV1x golf balls and was shocked how much more I liked this putter when not using the TopFlite balls scattered on the practice green. Secondly, a few years ago we ran what we felt was and still is the most comprehensive independent head-to-head putter test and analysis done in the golf industry. Here are the results. The ball comes off the face so well in comparison that it goes quite fast when I give it a bit bigger swing. Would you be intrigued? document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Smaller and lighter with improved shot tracking. "Isn't it funny? I bought the ER2 the first day it was available (came across it by accident). What exactly that means remains to be seen. ER2v - Evnroll US ER 2 v Rated 5.00 out of 5 based on 3 customer ratings 3 ER2v MidBlade - a three tiered wider heel and toe weighted blade Due to increased demand, we are experiencing lengthened build times. Feel and sound were exactly what I like and hoped they would be. The ball doesnt actually curve back while rolling? Cameron enjoys the benefits of economies of scale. And, in the Id tell you but Id have to kill you category, I have it on good authority that Evnroll has at least one fascinating arrow in the quiver for 2023 that more or less follows a similar strategy. That said I was still sold just by how nicely the ball consistently came off the face and rolled. My answer would be for now. Anything to save half a stroke a round. Did you say the both you and your testers saw the putter make the ball actually curve back toward the hole when mishit? Partners . No sweetness to the impact that I look for when dropping over $300. C $253.55. I dont have a precise number at which this transition occurs but it likely involves selling in the neighborhood of 100,000 putters every year. Very interested in these, do you know if they are in any retail stores? The objective is to find opportunities where other brands stopped a design short of what Rife sees as its full potential. His more pensive answer unveiled a poignant understanding that, for anything to be real and lasting, it requires a more sophisticated and thoughtful approach.
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