We are living in times unlike any other time in history, when did you ever hear of kids sexting, porn at the click of a button, drugs (marihuana) legalized, same sex marriage being made the law of the land, its a war the Bible says that is raging with the devil knowing that his time is short, woe onto you inhabitants of the earth for the devil comes down to you with great wrath knowing that his days are short So we have casualties of war, BC is a casualty of this war, one who needs healing and restoration, not expulsion and condemnation! It was the Catholics then the reformed then the anabaptists to our modern movements of which CC was one, we shall have to wait and see what will be the next movement God raises, hey dont be so sad, CC had a good run, what was that like 50 years? By that account we are all guilty, except it would seem for MLD. Oh did I spoil your little party, are your dirty little garments full of ulterior motives showing as you point your self righteous little finger at others and relish in their fall! Bob chose and Bob did it. But pray for those who obviously need it and consider your ability to forgive as you would pray He would forgive you, for we all have sinned and fallen short. The Holy Spirit is still at work. In January 2016, he and Diane filed for divorce in Broward County. A few things to keep in mind BC may have said look to Jesus but his actions did not. That lent itself to a very youthful, crazy, wild lifestyle. That is precisely what I was working my way to. At Smith's church, "you could come in jeans, and it didn't matter what your hair looked like or how long your beard was," says Thumma, the Hartford professor. And they are legion. Michael, one of the best messages I heard was when you posted Bob Sweats message on this topic. As a doctrine, it leads people to follow the antichrist who comes to unite the worlds belief systems. Coy says he was never approached by the police about the allegations. Put your trust in the One who will not fail you. Everyone does that, just with different things. For me involves simply the interest in private conversation with people outside my circle. Beyond that, Ive got absolutely nothing. Lust mixed with selfishness is one of the more toxic cocktails we can create. Isnt it cute when we call it moral failure. But Newnham says the pastor still has more to answer for especially because his sources say Coy has been trying to mobilize investors to start a new church. http://www.charismanews.com/us/43401-confessing-moral-failure-megachurch-pastor-bob-coy-resigns-calvary-chapel-fort-lauderdale, Ok, Ill just vent then. One harsh standard for othersthen grace! and mercy! and not the same standard when its time for the pastor to pay for his sins. Is an argument really being expressed that the reporting of the news should have waited until after Sunday for Bobs wife and his children? I pray for our fallen pastor and his family and all of my brothers and sisters in Christ who are hurting. My ex CC pastor is following Coy in his vision of mult-sites and to me its just not a good vision at all especially when the pastor falls like this. people need to vent, to be angry, to feel betrayed and to weep. 8. So although Bob did at one point attempt to put rots in Pompano God had other plans, much like Noah getting swallowed by the great fish after being thrown off a ship and subsequently deposited in the land where God intended him to go. Calvary Chapel is notorious for their cover ups. I dont take pleasure in his fall but it appeared inevitable. I did not interpret Acts 2 I just posted it. Twitter Thank you, pstrmike. 4. Afterwards BC was the poster boy for raising money and he spoke for Crown Financial on how to get the church to give. One too many run-on sentences of ignorance for me today. Sure would make the shame easier to bear.. And in every matter of wisdom and understanding about which the king inquired of them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and enchanters that were in all his kingdom. So what you are saying is if all the other guys had IQs of 120 then Daniel and his buddies had IQs of 1,200? I have heard the asst Pastors dont make a lot of $-maybe that will all change now. I sincerely hope you prayed about this before you set out to broadcast it to the entire world. I agree with Michael, that MacArthur is being grossly misrepresented here. He was forced to resign. I call it the most bs example and cop out of all the other bs to come down the CC pike over the years. When I say I have no sympathy for the adulterer, I mean I dont but the excuses oh, he was tempted (the other womans fault) oh he is a celebrity (other people s fault for putting him up too hign) -oh, well his wife got fat and ugly you can go on and on. BTW My Grandmother the mother of 12 and Grandmother of 33+ and a bunch of great grand kids was the most Christian woman I ever knew and she was a devout Catholic so was Mother Teresa for that matter. In fact, the concept of an earthly reign of Christ,of any length of time is foreign to the NT. How can you trust anyone at calvary anymore after you were lied to by Coy for years.he is disgusting.. To say he was loyal to diane is a joke..his kids will really be affected for ever.. Did he ever once think about his 1000 employees, did he ever once think about his kids, did he ever once think about what he was doing to Jesus or his wife, his family. When he went back to CCFL by then many family members from another state arrived and had jobs waiting for them at CCFL. After his preaching career ended, he landed work managing the Funky Biscuit, a nightclub in Mizner Park in Boca Raton. It's still not clear how Coy's sexual indiscretions came to light in 2014. What is interesting to me is how little difference of opinion there is. If you are indeed saying the truth. Was he so selfish that his ego got so big he was ABOVE THE LAW??? In case of her demise, she promised not to file a lawsuit. Good for you. A Calvary Chapel member named Rodger Thomas was arrested that year and charged with repeatedly molesting a 15-year-old girl at a high school run by the church. The root of Calvary's problems, critics say, lies in its unique structure. Deny that all you want, its the truth and you are a foolish if you think he is not doing his best to forget this happened for awhile. Guess how many mainstream Christian media outlets have run this story. No, he needs some healing and then he can work his way back into place just as two of the current worship members did and are clean now. even a little. The churchs assets are around $135 million, according to the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability. Grace indeed but the truth needs to come out. And so if you cant read shall reign with him 1000 years as shall reign with him 1000 years, that is your personal issue. Miserable, Hugh, You should listen to Michael when he says I did not make Bob Coy have sex with women other than his wife. In 2009, a fatal wrong-way crash caused by a soccer mom killed eight people. She didnt want Vince to have to make the difficult decision of whether to turn off her life support, either. For the people at CC Fort Lauderdale, and the family of Bob Coy we should grieve and pray for the pain and disappointment, and even betrayal they must feel. Its their soft term for adultery. Put away your golden calf and stop your man worship. There were only a select few who could say anything about anything. Though I am not a Calvinist you again caricature their views by your questions. Physically and mentally- and this blog helped me tremendously because there were others here who shared the same story. 7. He was telling them that real actions in the Christian life work on your spirit. Do you know the reason for binding Satan? Is the IRS coming to take them to jail? Michael isnt a Calvanist. "If you're broken, Jesus will be gentle with you in your anger and disillusionment," Sauder said. But I suspect the board is not relishing any sordid details; on the contrary they feel compelled to cover for the reputation of the christian church. I never missed a weekday or weekend service. I am glad to see the Board either making a deal to buy Coy out or maybe the Board had the power in the by-laws to deal with a moral failure like thisdunno, but do know that you cant really have a CC-style church that puts some much emphasis on their brand of transformation Gospel while pointing fingers at those outside the church for stuff like gay marriage etcand then have a guy in that CC pulpit that is addicted to p0rn and having relations with multiple women who are not his wife. In other words, let the church handle the churchs business. Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale spokesman Mike Miller said Monday the church was not commenting beyond its statement. I know it is difficult to understand that something good will come from this. Power corrupts and if you know your pastor isnt Jesus, then dont tempt him and stumble him with all that power that only a Jesus wouldnt be corrupted by. Barbara, You will have to do the homework. Its actually a struggle for you to keep your commitment to your wife? Michael Newham, have you ever committed adultery? Reforming catholicism doesnt work. As a pastor, I dont want people to blindly follow me. I knew you could. The Lord Knows. It also took us all years to get over it mentally and spiritually. There are a multitude of reasons why this is important information and depending on when you ask me, youll get a different answer. If I had to choose between a repentant Bob Coy or even a Moses model pastor teaching correct doctrine or someone who is morally correct under a board that makes the decisions for the church, and yet teaching false doctrine like that Jesus only died for the Christians and not for the whole world, that there is no free will involved in salvation, when the Bible continually tells us that there is, and when part of their foundation is replacement theology, that is, that the church has replaced Israel and that the tribulation has already happened, then give me the Moses model pastor, sometimes and in many cases we have to choose the lesser of the two evils, as Jesus said, The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; 3therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them. He didnt say stop hearing them. Let the people who preach the forgiveness of sins demonstrate the message. A man who cheats does so because he is a cheater and has no respect for his wife. To all who insist he honorably initiated his resignation: His last fb post (Thursday at 3:37) was I cant wait for beach baptisms next month! Does that sound like a man who plans to end his pastorate that same evening? Antonio, No I have not been tempted but I have always made sure that i never put myself in the position to be tempted. Muhammad Ibn-Raqib : You are so right ! When one is so charismatic and manipulative, it is not hard to distinguish between the 2 for me. Flynn, I havent reseached this in its entirety but there seems to be 89 verses on election. Reading Paiges comments really brought home for me the absolute horror for the wife of a pastor who falls in such a big way. The transformation that has taken place is that when I sin there is conviction that takes place reminding me that what I have done or thought is wrong. My apologies to all people who are 300 pounds or over it wasnt my intention to insult you or hurt your feelings and my apologies to MLD in reading your post, they seemed very callous and cruel without regard for the scripture that says that we need to consider ourselves lest we also be tempted, so this caricature came to my mind but again my apologies and I want to ask the moderator to take down my previous post since Im unable to do that, Thank you. "That whole approach always ends up hiding pedophiles.". Thank God for grace and mercysince none of us is without sin. You are an angry man, Lorenzo, and very unattractive to anyone who you are unloading upon. I bet now that this is being covered by the big media outlets that more will come out. Andy, I saw no verses posted by you AND you have not shown where Jesus spoke of this 1,000 yr earthy reign. A jury awarded the family $360,000 but ruled Calvary wasn't culpable. We are all fools if we judge a fellow brother.to the amount of forgiveness and grace and mercy we give, it is given to us.go light on your brother, for we have been forgiven much.. anything else is not of Christ.beware.and anyone who tries to twist it, discipline is always meant for restoration. . , ; , . I dont remember much of it. Did God ask you to do this? "Never.". Maybe thats a byproduct of not letting women hold leadership positions. Barbara #625. Saw something bad coming at the church when they allow immoral behavior by their congregation and do nothing. "I had been invited to his house for Christmas dinner and I skipped it," Coy told Stetzer. Its a wonderful way to live, Lorenzo. The IRS went after Jimmy. Or your own wife and children if you have any. I didnt bring him up. I know for sure that I wouldt want my own sin, and hypocrisy exposed for the whole world to see. Interesting point and something Brodersen/CCCM and Smiths/TWFT are battling overthe IP of Chuck Smith and if his work was his or the property of CCCM. Is it ok, in your world view, that I feel a profound sadness at the pain and destruction his betrayal has caused him and those in his universe? I have looked this for years, and I think there are several groups that are maintaining biblical integrity and calling. The last thing we need to do is turn on each other over this because first, There is nothing new under the sun Second, we have a whole unbelieving world out there that will be looking for an explanation and answers and we are focused on discrediting each other and being right??? In 2004, he even campaigned with Dubya around South Florida. A religious liberty newsletter that is a must-read for people of faith. Mary! to the one who calls himself to anon how do you know Pastor Bob wasnt victimize? People who know what they are talking about get bored real fast. That is actually their responsibility. Yes, all the more evidence that men are still sinners after they are savedthere is no transformationmen still sin in the same or different areas as before they were saved. There is more nonsense on that site than I think Ive ever seen piled in one place. His idea was a huge hit, one of the first in a wave that has become known as the Jesus movement. If I were in sin, my church would handle it and those who needed to know would know. When a Todd Bently or a Jim Bakker fell it was a totally different reaction for me as I saw them as dangerous men due to their teaching, etc. 15 And the LORD will utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with His scorching wind will He shake His hand over the River, and will smite it into seven streams, and cause men to march over dry-shod. Is all sin equal to God? And this is no strike whatsoever at Coy. Beating a brother up as you mention Im sure is not what Jesus meant by loving your enemy and turning the other cheek! Your right Dusty. 326 MICHAEL WHO MADE YOU MESSENGER?????????? I pray that Bob Coy hasnt left decades of bodies in his wake, and I will be praying for them (nameless as they may be to me) and for his church and family to recover. Have you wrote Bob ripping him for his sin and asking for proof of repentance? This is a Christian blog? And, I dont see anyone coming to the defense of his co-sinners why not all since you defend one of the sinners so vigorously? Michael said, Who is his congregation? Nobody should jugde him he is human NOT god. Babs, As we were talking about a couple of weeks ago perhaps Coy owns the intellectual property. Thankfully, this isnt my first rodeo. CC has produced a lot of strong Christian leaders but if the wound one might carry had left a scar that is so spiritually disfiguring that it would prevent personal growth then I would agree dont return there but please seek somewhere else. All the sacrifices.to be harmed by so many in leadership that did their own thing without anyone knowing. Arent you embarrassed by what comes out of your brain? Id wager something huge that Bob is not who they all think he is. Bob knew all the more well what he was doing, there wasnt some demon forcing him into this action. So after some unspecified "very embarrassing behavior," Capitol fired him. Read Daniel 4 v.16 and let seven periods of time pass over him. I pray Coy takes the time needed before he returns to the ministry. MLD, your Acts 2 interpretation is from Luther. Michael, We don;t argue we chat from different view points. well obviously your information is wrong. In 2005, Coy's church rented out Dolphin Stadium on Easter Sunday and drew more than 20,000 people. He got the idea from Andy Stanley to do satellite churches. Coy was banging 2 woman in the last year if not more where was his brain??? Little sister Ive had my struggles at CC and other churches, Ive walked out of sermons and understand the feeling of not relating to Pastors. Ill let the heavy hitters take the rest of the shift. Although the first few notes of this cacophony of criticism were low (but, perhaps on pitch), the horn blowing quickly turned discordantmaking it difficult to distinguish the original theme. We all make mistakes and we must pray for him. Stop this! Throwing me under the bus is not a wise or godly decision. Bob Coy founded Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale and turned it into a 25,000-member powerhouse before resigning in disgrace. But there is a big difference. For the gates of hell will not prevail against my church, thus saith The Lord! Neo Coral Ridge does not the same doctrinal position as CCFL. (Flores was eventually convicted of sex with the minor.). Too many people look at their pastor or sr. pastor, vs.the congregation being pointed to the Lord. Any recent full frontals of his mistresses? "People were really, really hurt," says Colleen Healy, a Broward resident who began following Coy in 1995. Prayers for restoration and healing of the flock and his family. MLD, no point in debating anything with you. I cant agree with this statement at all. Nobody is perfect. I already said he can be restored as a brother, and I have said that God can show him grace and forgiveness and provide restoration. You have brothers and sisters in the world that are not able to mention their faith without fear of loosing their freedom or life. All I have published are the bare facts that I could verify through multiple sources. It has nothing to do with the Bible. None of us are in a position to throw stones, judge, or cast aspersions upon or condemn himonly God can. Thats getting copied and pasted and saved to be used a lot in the future , Gomer MLD, I would love to meet you someday, as you are the only man I have heard of who does not struggle with this in some way.. See Against Heresies, Book V. He was refuting arch heretics Marcion and Valentinus who taught amillennialism. No thats not a fulfillment of prophecy, that was just those pesky Zionists, who made that happen, no it wasnt God fulfilling his word and the prophecies in the O.T concerning Israel. Those who understood their own propensity, weakness and past personal sins and failures might be better off placing a hand over their mouths and silently praying for mercy to be extended to this man and his family. You will never be forgotten! Thank you for the correction. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. well praying for you. Baker and haggard were false teachers. Do not get fixated on the trashy tabloids and rumors, but try to put yourself in Bobs shoes, or his familys for that matter. Bob Coy, founder of Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale in Florida who resigned as senior pastor over moral failings in 2014, has been accused of molesting a girl when she was 4 years old and into her teens. I have visited Potential Church and Church by the Glades and they fall under the seeker resurrgence apostasy movement, watered down gospel, entertainment, FALSE church. God has not finished the work that He started in this man, and He will work His miracles to restore what we as people see doomed. They have arrived at those conclusions with serious thought, study, prayer, and reliance on guidance from the Spirit of God and His scripture. Do u not see that his co-sinners are being judged by many of you as throwing themselves at him and seductresses? Lots of stories here. In theology, the pain, regret or affliction which a person feels on account of his past conduct, because it exposes him to punishment. Get your own. I digress. Was it a dragon or a serpent? Remember how many people he has helped. MLD In your desire to make the scriptures fit with your predisposed interpretation, youre assigning a secondary meaning that the text does not warrant, the text is giving us a period of time not a symbolic application as you are trying to assert. Thank you Jesus, your mercies are new every day:). Maybe I dont have the steps in order but you get my drift. Not everyone should stay married for their reputation in a church. And I have a sincere question about him. Hate the sin; love the sinner. The following day, the victim told the police that she was not ready to proceed with a criminal investigation unless a second person came forward. And no I dont listen to Chuck Missler or have a Schofield, I just read the Bible, you should try it sometime! There are lots of passages, verses, and phrases that require a spectrum of thought as opposed to a specific non-negotiable position. Youre right. Robert J. Our pastor, he committed sexual immorality, habitually, through pornography. I speaketh not about Bob Coyeth, but about the living stones that compriseth the church of God, that you and your luciferian minions cannot stand against as His church marcheth triumphant!!! ", Anne Marie Giri, a churchmember who was present at the announcement, stated that although the she was disappointed, we must not put our faith in human beings. I understand giving Bob grace. I like Bob, I served there for over a decade and he has proclaimed from the pulpit he struggles in the area of pride and women. You become an accuser of the brethren for the sake of your worship. They chose to ignore the explosion that created and run all their services as normal anyway. I dont the adulterer always chooses to dishonor and humiliate his wife. I have absolutely no sympathy for the adulterer. Two years later, her family sued Calvary, alleging leaders should have done more to stop Thomas. No bitterness here. My children very young at the time and all of this confused them. Im not answerable to you. That needs to stop and maybe this will be the watershed moment for that to happen. It can be if you want it that way here, after all, it is your blog. I was there. Why are we sitting there looking at people performing on stage anyway? Why are you Christians so indignant and condemning, isnt it natural to want to be with many different women, arent we programmed that way as men. The most serious claim against Calvary's national church came in 2011, when four men in Idaho filed a federal suit alleging a youth minister named Anthony Iglesias had molested them between 2000 and 2003. Hes probably dirtier than Pastor Bob. Dear Lorenzo, you know so little of genuine Christianity, and you know nothing of me or others here. So, in this regard bravo to this church. My prayers are for them that they dont fall away, that they dont dismiss this and purely look the other way. To simply read the Bible simply you would never come up with conclusions like; God has chosen some to go to Hell randomly, Jesus only died for the Christians, man does not have a free will to choose salvation, and the many false conclusions Calvinism draws.
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