For the pessimists out there, I was a ski tech for years and during that time, never went out on anything that hadn’t been freshly tuned and waxed. The skis I was testing had relatively heavy Tyrolia Attack 13 demo bindings, so picking the skis up didn't make them feel particularly light, but as soon as they were on my feet, they definitely did. Founded by Stefan Drake (the D in DPS) DPS has built a cult following since its inception in 2005. When skating or going slow, just good glide. we need comparisons to skiing an unwaxed ski to determine if Phantom does anything. But the stuck snow would easily wipe away with a single swipe of the hand, and I never felt any weird on-snow performance. At very slow speeds (like a lift line) you will NOT feel the slippery, freshly waxed feel. Have you or anyone else had their gear through the “Curing station” ? The DPS claim to fame goes like this: “We make the world’s most advanced skis.” (Side note: they’re also famous because the skis rip). When I first heard about Phantom, I did two things: (1) geek out hardcore on the super cool chemistry, and (2) got really excited about the possibility of fast touring skis that wouldn’t get traditional ski wax sticking to the glue on climbing skins. The final straw had to be when I was skiing in St. Anton on a warmish day, (40 degrees and sunny) conditions that are supposed to be where the Phantom product excels, and every person I was skiing with was passing me. DPS expandiert und innoviert ständig, wie 2012, als man mit dem Spoon Ski und der Spoon Technology neue Maßstäbe setzte, oder mit der neuen Carbon-Konstruktion Alchemist, ein generalerneuertes Design der ausgezeichneten Pure-Bauweise. Best part of trying Phanotm was that I put it on my race skis that I use twice a week and never had to even think about waxing them all season. To weigh in on this, I was also very excited about phantom and bought it to apply on my brand new skies. After having skied them in colder conditions where glide is not as much of an issue I was able to test them against another brand new untreated and unwaxed pair of ski in warm april conditions. They worked as a fresh wax ski would. “I replied and asked for a new brush and got no response, and no brush either”. Overall I would put it on all of my everyday boards as long as the structure is normal. And we’ll definitely be keeping an eye on this as we spend even more time touring on skis treated with Phantom. Overall, I wouldn’t make any changes to my initial impressions. Überragende Action gespickt mir unglaublich guten Filmaufnahmen! by Jordan Tiernan. Ski Review.com - Copyright Starski 2003-2020 Privacy | RSS. Other than not getting wax on skins, do you really think it performs much better or can you possibly distinguish it from a fast, high quality base? This method was actually encouraged from the Phantom web site. When I picked up the skis from the snow to click in again, I was a little surprised to see that quite a bit of snow was sticking to the bases. Read honest and unbiased product reviews from our users. In regards to skin glue. And two, we mean it in the most endearing way possible. Ski waxing can be a social event or a good reason to dissappear into your workshop. I’ve now used the skis in powder, firm wind buff chalk, slush, and man made ….snow? And if I get to experience this same level of performance without reapplying wax? Shortly after I received and mounted the Phantom-treated DPS Alchemist Wailer 106, Southcentral Alaska experienced a relatively cold spell with temperatures in the single digits (Fahrenheit). Click for the DPS ski review archive. I’d say that it delivers. Genau! For 100$ i feel they could have done better with that. The idea of not waxing my splitboard every few rides was very appealing. So, what’s the opinion on this for a Tahoe/Mammoth skier? Are you sing Phantom 2.0? You complained about the brush being inadequate(i guess you dont have any) and also mentioned that you had no interest in doing ski maintenance. Skitourguru.com Viktor Devečka, Forest Skis 09.12.2018 Tschechisch. I’m not positive that the skis would have iced up if they had not been treated with Phantom, but I suspect that it wouldn’t have been as bad (neither of my partners had serious icing issues with their standard-waxed skis). I’ve now had another 15 days or so on the DPS Wailer A106 treated with Phantom, and I’ve remained impressed. Had no problems. what do you think will happen if you treat a ski with Phantom, ski it all season, then leave it over the summer with no storage wax? I cleaned the new bases with wax remover several times until a rag rubbed on them came up clean. Temperatures where at 5 to 10 degrees Celsius, whatever that translates to in Fahrenheit. Then came the final step of brushing. this would be helpfull. Alex: any update on Phantom?? The good news is that I experienced no such thing on entrances where getting stuck or bucked would have likely resulted in a slide down terrain where a self-arrest would have been quite difficult. Compare the best and latest DPS skis with expert advice from ski reviews. DPS is about the mystery encountered in a slide across deep snow. what is worth more : 3 hrs of your time, or, $120 ??? Is this treatment a one time use or does it have to be applied prior to each snow season? I will be treating all of my skis with Phantom. Each day the product sat in full sun from about 10am until dusk. First day we had 8-10 inch of fresh powder. A waxed ski might have done the same thing, I am not sure, but the serious braking effect was noticeable and almost made me face plant. Photo courtesy of DPS When I got on the Zelda 106 Tour1 skis for the first time in the Crested Butte, Colo. backcountry, I immediately realized my so-called friends had lied. (2) One of the things that actually concerned me most about Phantom — aside from the part where I thought the whole thing was a stupid gimmick and would not work at all — was DPS talking about how the skis would feel “unwaxed” when moving slow on snow. DPS is essentially trying to provide the same feel and performance we get from skis with metal, but in a much lighter package. As I recall now, I applied and removed part A one day, and then applied and removed part B on the next day. During the season, it harkens the call of a powder day or the anticipation of an extended trip deserving of fresh glide. One issue I am encountering is the gradual buildup of skin adhesive on the bases. DPS also makes a women’s-specific version of the ski: the Zelda 106 Tour1. I too was in Germany and will say the cure process, though UV activated, is certainly affected by temperatures. My takeaway from reading the reviews here is that most people really like the product and it sounds as if the people who didn’t have good results either had self-application issues (temperature, amount of available UV, pre and between-step cleaning A to B process) – or simply weren’t impressed with the warm-snow glide. if it is warm enough to goop the glue, but firm enough to walk, i usually walk. I’d be interested to see what it could do to some old, beat up skis that just aren’t holding their glide on traverses or floating well. I love flying across the flats and traverses, to get to the goods ahead of the crowds. I opted to just toss them down, click in, and ski away, and this was all it took to get back to excellent gliding. Der schön gestaltete Wailer Tour1 vereint die stärksten Eigenschaften der Marke im Tourenski Test: Der Tourenski ist beeindruckend leicht, hat eine großartige Form für eine reibungslose Abfahrt und eine langlebige Konstruktion. But when you get into your run, and you’re skiing fast, they work just fine. Ski Tahoe predominately, in the spring…sounds like this doesn’t work there…, Kennith I had it on my board at a week of summer camp at boreal and it was fine. TIA. as always, thanks to blister staff and readers ! Blister reviewer Paul Forward now has over 6 days on the DPS Alchemist Wailer 106 that has been treated with Phantom, so he is the first to offer his initial impressions. After only a few days, I’m definitely not ready to fully endorse all of DPS’ claims about Phantom, but so far, things seem to be working as advertised. But I would not consider that snow true warm snow. You need a close to bluebird day for this. Looks like the most recent was a year ago. We will be getting some other reviewers on skis and boards that have been treated with Phantom, and will be providing updates on how Phantom deals with different types of climbing-skins glue, how it performs in different temperatures, and do some A/B comparisons with traditionally waxed skis. I wouldn’t care about this while shuffling through a lift line, but I did actually worry about this description given that I tend to spend a good bit of time in some steep, techy terrain — would Phantom-treated skis suddenly feel “stuck” when making — or landing — a tight jump turn? at the very least six hours per day. I personally would recommend the phantom to be applied by a dps dealer is all. I think this would be a reasonable request in the first few days of skiing on it, but this sounds like a dirtbaggy backcountry,com customer who likes getting things for free. FYI, I am not a “dirt baggy Backcountry.com customer”, I am a dirt baggy Kickstarter customer. You pay a serious premium for the high-end materials and extensive R&D from DPS Skis—the Pagoda Piste 90 costs a double-take-worthy $1,299—but it’s hard to knock the final product. Because they push the boundaries of the ski-construction universe, DPS collection… because glue on the base makes the descent nasty…, can i do more than one set of skis for a single kit? I wish they would not include the brushes. “im definitely going to try to get my money back” On cold days my skis feel slippery in the lift line, on warm days there is just a hint of initial stiction in the lift line. Ausrüstung. I’ve skied in temps from about 10°F to the low 40’s°F, and in everything from cold pow to rained-on snow, and still feel like the glide in all conditions is quite good. fyi, dirtbag kickstarter customer who wants a refund on his discounted ski product at the end of the season might be worse than a backcountry customer. DPS Skis 2019/2020: Koala 119 DPS Skis: Koala 119 – Topsheet. The skis certainly don’t have the slippery freshly waxed feel of actual wax when standing and shuffling around (which is actually quite nice as it makes sidestepping and skiing downhill out on flat skin tracks in walk mode much easier). replace or reglue ?. I am a reasonably strong skier that likes to go fast, and when friends can pass me as if I were standing still, that is when I decided this stuff is BS. I think with Phantom-treated skis, it is even more important to keep your bases out of the sun during transitions to mitigate icing. Definitely wouldn’t stone grind the skin glue off, that probably wouldn’t work well and would gum up the stone. The fusion of carbon technology In the fall, it marks the approaching ski season. Neue Webisode von The Shadow Campaign, altes, aber sehr gutes Muster! The Shadow Campaign - Gone Big - DPS Skis. You may have heard or read us calling the ski-makers at DPS “mad scientists.” Well, the 2021 lineup of DPS skis confirms two things. We were doing a lot of ski swapping over the past four days, and I can say that the Cassiar 94s felt fast, and no ski I was on (well, other than the HEAD i.Speed Pro, which is simply a search-and-destroy missile of a ski) felt noticeably faster or offered better glide. Umweltschutz: In den USA unterstützt DPS die Umweltinitiative "Save Our Canyons." Wie seit Jahren bewährt, konnte die Skiindustrie in jeder der insgesamt 9 Testkategorien (neben dem Test in Obergurgl wurden noch Ski in der Kategorie Skitour getestet) jeweils ein Testmodell im Auslieferungszustand anliefern. (1) Like Sam, I did notice some snow sticking to the bases of the Phantom-treated Cassiar F94. DPS Alchemist Uschi 85 2018 Ski Review Throughout the day, the base treatment worked great, and the only time I had any other thoughts about it was while doing a beacon drill during which I took off my skis for about 30 minutes. DPS Ski. Does it harden the base like wax does? I appreciated his review because honestly, if the application process is THAT finicky I don’t want to spend a hundred dollars and have it not work because somebody slammed a door or exuded a negative vibe in the direction of my skis while it was curing. I just returned from 14 days of skiing in Japan we did a good mix of resort, side country, and back country. I have not suffered a build up of snow on my base in warmer temps as yet. My glide has been great on all the skis. Its easy to apply, but you have to put the skis out in the sun for minimum 3 hours with bases up. Previously I waxed frequently with Hertel Hot Sauce, Racing or spring wax and my skis are usually as fast as anything out there. I’m considering having the 2.0 version applied to new skis by a shop with a curing station. yeah, some g3 glue gets really gloppy as it gets older. Why wouldn’t other ski manufacturers license the product and do the same? I also went to town on the skis with the cork and the brush they supplied (brush sucked by the way) after part B. I had no stickyness at all on any of the skis. No run to ski off excess Phantom. Lyže a ich tvary. However, I since contacted the dps support and they have been very forthcoming and will send me a new package to apply in summer. DPS is a small Salt Lake City-based manufacturer of skis, skis poles and apparel. “I would have liked to have somehow saved the product that I wiped off the skis” Any feedback would be appreciated! Völkl Atomic Fischer Rossignol Elan Dynastar K2 Blizzard Head . I also did something after application of Phantom that was a little different. My guess is that you cant scrape and buff skis properly in the first place (chris, the wax and buff process isnt described as finicky either, but it sucks to suck). On snow, I’ve had a very similar experience as Paul. Kategorie des Herausgebers Freeride. As DPS says the first few runs the skis felt sticky on the snow, almost like I had climbing skins on but after a few runs that quickly went away. E.g. These things rarely get “recycled” and end up in a landfill or worse…. I just got back from a 7 day ski trip at steamboat, co. and that goes for all plastic and mixed packaging………. DPS is about the mystery encountered in a slide across deep snow. dps Wailer A112 Uschis Bruder, der Wailer A112, ist ebenso spielerisch im Pulverschnee, wie auch griffig auf eisigen Untergründen. Here’s what DPS has to say about the ski: “Carving is accessible with the Cassiar 94, but if one wants to give more focus toward those shallow storms, or being on the perfect ski a day or two after a storm — days where you mix in a good dose of crud and supportive, soft snow. DPS Yvette 112RP2 (2015) Ski Gear Reviews. With its roots in high-performance powder culture, DPS has pioneered the use of aerospace carbon fiber and a sandwich construction to build skis that are lighter, stronger, and more powerful than conventionally-built skis. People have asked if they can wax over the Phantom product, but what is the point of that? They also understand that maintenance to skis like grinds, bevels and base repair are still needed. I’d say that it’s a winner. DPS’s Phantom Glide treatment has been receiving a lot of attention, and for good reason. When the temps rose and the snow got even slushier, I thought the skis treated with Phantom had slightly better glide than those without. Overall, my brief experience with Phantom has been quite positive, and I’ll be treating some skis with it this spring to see how it handles warm days of touring. Presumably a new application of Phantom is then required ? In our case, we have mostly given up on alpine wax. My expertise is that i am a professional ski tech and have sold and applied this correctly to many of my customer’s skis. Obviously you didnt spend any money on ski wax. So it’s possible that this was a result of the warm, sticky snow, and we’ll monitor to see if we find this happening at colder temps. DPS SKIS, Downtown Salt Lake City. Der dritte im Bunde ähnelt dem Wailer in seiner Vielseitigkeit. Ditto the above with part B. I plan to put some on my cross country skis because it works well and should last forever. Once I started heading downhill, however, that sensation immediately disappeared and I skied down to the next chair with great glide and overall performance. What’s being lost here is the aesthetic aspect of ski waxing. So keep an eye out for updates, but so far, so good. Because if it did, I would be 100% out on the product. I’ve spent several days touring on the Scott Superguide 105 that I treated with Phantom myself. Have done about 12 trips or so on it. The Cassiar 95 actually performed more like the Enforcer 93 at sp… DPS says it penetrates the ptex and to base grind as normal when the bases need a refresh. I’m sold. After canceling our day of heli-skiing due to the ongoing storm, I headed up to the hill for some inbounds maritime pow skiing. My opinion is – don’t waste your money! It maybe — maybe — was the case that on Taos’ long return trail (“Around the World”) that takes you from chair 4 back to chair 1 at the base, maybe the Cassiar was a bit slower on long, flat sections than some of the other skis I was on? For this review, we tested the Wailer 106 Tour1, which is a men’s/unisex design. Im Pulverschnee Test heben sich DPS-Skis von allen anderen ab. The Shadow Campaign - The Abbey. My examples were well used and the product seems to do everything it’s makers claim. Four Blister reviewers have now spent time on Phantom-treated skis, so it’s time for an update. With its roots in high-performance powder culture, DPS has pioneered the use of aerospace carbon fiber and a sandwich construction to build skis that are lighter, stronger, and more powerful than conventionally-built skis. But I wouldn’t wager a single dollar that this was actually true. Since you want me to enlighten you on how i guess you failed… first you said “I followed the application instructions to the letter” “Placed in full sun for three hours”. I was concerned about skiing for the first time on Phantom in powder. DPS knew this and issued a notice saying if you wanted a new brush with an improved adhesive so the cork would not fall off, they would send you one. I will say that the brush and cork they include isnt even worth much. Both prepped the same with a stone grind and applied in similar conditions. I have, however, experienced an unusual amount of snow sticking to the bases. Designed to separate you from your money. (We covered the introduction of Phantom in this article and on this blister podcast). also, fairly universal reports that it does not apply well to used skis make a factory application seem like a more practical(and MUCH cheaper) method. Is anyone using Phantom into a second season now? I called DPS and asked what the main goal was after the “B” application. or maybe do 177 by 93, 177 by 78 and 177 by 115 with 2 kits? right off the lift into deep powder, in the trees, the skis worked great. I just spent three days on the 18/19 DPS Cassiar A79 treated with Phantom on both very firm, early-morning groomers, and then on very soft late-afternoon snow at Taos, with temperatures ranging from around 25°F to well into the 40’s. In hindsight, I would have liked to have somehow saved the product that I wiped off the skis. Most skiers/boarders have their own kit. In that case, the Hybrid construction skis are heavier and more biased to resort use. Then dripped on the part A and rubbed in with applicator. The mixed reviews of the DPS Wailer F99 resulted in the ski’s Overall ratings coming in around the middle of the All Mountain Category. And I have a very personal and very high interest level at the moment in not tomahawking down steeps; my surgeon would not at all approve. In other words, I got the feeling that the amount I wiped off was equal to the amount I dripped on. My only “unusual” experience was skiing fast through a big shallow puddle of water, the skis really slowed down at first, then it felt like someone let off the brakes and I started gliding again. The Foundation choice will feel damper, smoother, and more forgiving than the Alchemist, yet also less reactive and energetic.” During this period, I spent several days skiing cold, chalky snow on the Wailer 106, mostly on relatively smooth, grippy groomers. At least for my 5 days of sking the skis felt great. Unlike you Spencer, I do not rush to judgement about anything. Sticky spring snow was still a little grabby but better than any wax I’ve used ( never paid the $50 + for the spring butters). Fairness: DPS verlagerte die Produktion von China zurück in die USA. its to get off as much remaining material of phantom as possible after the “cure” process. DPS Skis führt auch in diesem Jahr die beliebte Webserie "The Shadow Campaign" weiter und darum sind wir mehr als nur froh! My speculation is that February in Germany just doesn’t have enough UV-radiation to cure the things. DPS-SKI FÜR JEDE BEDINGUNG. Blister does that with skis, a first impression review, then a more in depth review after spending more time with the product. I don’t intend to do this, but most tune places here automatically wax skis after a grind. Do you think you deserve your money back after using the product all season? Modell Alchemist Wailer 112 RP2. Placed in full sun for three hours. 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