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He was wronged by individuals, allegedly. He co-writes that with Gordon Wasson and Albert Hofmann, who famously-- there it is, the three authors. And Dennis, amongst others, calls that a signature Dionysian miracle. Not much. And so if there is a place for psychedelics, I would think it would be in one of those sacred containers within monastic life, or pilgrims who visit one of these monastic centers, for example. In fact, he found beer, wine, and mead all mixed together in a couple of different places. We have some inscriptions. The Tim Ferriss Show - #535: General Stanley McChrystal Mast I try to be careful to always land on a lawyer's feet and be very honest with you and everybody else about where this goes from here. You know, it's an atheist using theological language to describe what happened to her. And I, for one, look forward to a time when I can see him in person for a beer, ergotized beer or not, if he ever leaves Uruguay. And so that's what motivated my search here. And by the way, I'm not here trying to protect Christianity from the evidence of psychedelic use. The same Rome that circumstantially shows up, and south of Rome, where Constantine would build his basilicas in Naples and Capua later on. Wonderful, well, thank you. But I do want to push back a little bit on the elevation of this particular real estate in southern Italy. Others would argue that they are perfectly legal sacraments, at least in the Native American church with the use of peyote, or in the UDV or Santo Daime, I mean, ayahuasca does work in some syncretic Christian form, right? I did go straight to [INAUDIBLE] Papangelli in Eleusis, and I went to the museum. And so for me, this was a hunt through the catacombs and archives and libraries, doing my sweet-talking, and trying to figure out what was behind some of those locked doors. And when you speak in that way, what I hear you saying is there is something going on. #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Lessons from Scholar Karen Armstrong, and Much More Brought to you by GiveWell.org charity research and effective giving and 5-Bullet Friday, my very own email newsletter. Read more about The Immortality Key by Brian Muraresku Making Sense by Sam Harris And how do we-- when the pharmaceutical industry and when these retreat centers begin to open and begin to proliferate, how do we make this sacred? Mark and Brian cover the Eleusinian Mysteries, the pagan continuity hypothesis, early Christianity, lessons from famed religious scholar Karen Armstrong, overlooked aspects of influential philosopher William James's career, ancient wine and ancient beer, experiencing the divine within us, the importance of " tikkun olam "repairing and improving An Exploration of Religion: An Interview with Brian Muraresku Like the wedding at Cana, which my synopsis of that event is a drunkard getting a bunch of drunk people even more drunk. But I think the broader question of what's the reception to this among explicitly religious folk and religious leaders? I mean, something of symbolic significance, something monumental. And you suspect, therefore, that it might be a placebo, and you want the real thing. Now I understand and I appreciate the pharmaceutical industry's ability to distribute this as medicine for those who are looking for alternatives, alternative treatments for depression and anxiety and PTSD and addiction and end of life distress. BRIAN MURARESKU: Now we're cooking with grease, Dr. Stang. So the Eastern Aegean. Administration and supervision endeavors and with strong knowledge in: Online teaching and learning methods, Methods for Teaching Mathematics and Technology Integration for K-12 and College . Like, what is this all about? BRIAN MURARESKU: That's a good question. That they were what you call extreme beverages. I mean, I think the book makes it clear. So you were unable to test the vessels on site in Eleusis, which is what led you to, if I have this argument right, to Greek colonies around the Mediterranean. But I'm pressing you because that's my job. 48:01 Brian's psychedelic experiences . I also sense another narrative in your book, and one you've flagged for us, maybe about 10 minutes ago, when you said that the book is a proof of concept. And if there's historical precedent for it, all the more so. Now, it's just an early indication and there's more testing to be done. So. Brought to you by GiveWell.org charity research and effective giving and 5-Bullet Friday, my very own email newsletter.Welcome to The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is usually my job to deconstruct world-class performers to tease out their routines, habits, et cetera that you can apply to your own life. So the closer we get to the modern period, we're starting to find beer, wine mixed with interesting things. I've no doubt that Brian has unearthed and collected a remarkable body of evidence, but evidence of what, exactly? In fact, something I'm following up on now is the prospect of similar sites in the Crimea around the Black Sea, because there was also a Greek presence there. I'm currently reading The Immortality Key by Brian Muraresku and find this 2nd/3rd/4th century AD time period very interesting, particularly with regards to the adoptions of pagan rituals and practices by early Christianity. Plants of the Gods: Hallucinogens, Healing, Culture and Conservation And you find terracotta heads that could or could not be representative of Demeter and Persephone, the two goddesses to whom the mysteries of Eleusis were dedicated. #649: Rick Rubin, Legendary Music Producer The Creative Act So how does Dionysian revelries get into this picture? Rachel Peterson, who's well known to Brian and who's taken a lead in designing the series. But it just happens to show up at the right place at the right time, when the earliest Christians could have availed themselves of this kind of sacrament. Ep #1 Show Notes | Brian Muraresku: Psychedelics, Civilization And I think there are so many sites and excavations and so many chalices that remain to be tested. And I started reading the studies from Pat McGovern at the University of Pennsylvania. So your presentation of early Christianity inclines heavily toward the Greek world. Examine the pros and cons of the continuity theory of aging, specifically in terms of how it neglects to consider social institutions or chronically ill adults. 474, ?] OK. Now let's pan back because, we have-- I want to wrap up my interrogation of you, which I've been pressing you, but I feel as if perhaps people joining me think I'm hostile to this hypothesis. So why refrain? Like in Israel. 44:48 Psychedelics and ancient cave art . And maybe in these near-death experiences we begin to actually experience that at a visceral level. These mysteries had at their center a sacrament called kykeon, which offered a vision of the mysteries of life and death. And I guess my biggest question, not necessarily for you, but the psychedelic community, for what it's worth, or those who are interested in this stuff is how do we make this experience sacred? Nazanin Boniadi He has talked about the potential evidence for psychedelics in a Mithras liturgy. The most colorful theory of psychedelics in religion portrays the original Santa Claus as a shaman. You also find a Greek hearth inside this sanctuary. And I feel like I accomplished that in the afterword to my book. I imagine there are many more potion makers around than we typically recognize. 8th century BC from the Tel Arad shrine. It's not just Cana. The Tim Ferriss Show Podcast | Free Listening on Podbean App Interesting. Dogs, indicative of the Greek goddess Hecate, who, amongst other things was known as the [GREEK], the dog eater. Show Plants of the Gods: Hallucinogens, Healing, Culture and Conservation podcast, Ep Plants of the Gods: S4E2. And I think that we would behoove ourselves to incorporate, resuscitate, maybe, some of those techniques that seem to have been employed by the Greeks at Eleusis or by the Dionysians or some of these earliest Christians. When you start testing, you find things. But things that sound intensely powerful. CHARLES STANG: All right. There's some suggestive language in the pyramid texts, in the Book of the Dead and things of this nature. And very famous passages, by the way, that should be familiar to most New Testament readers. I might forward the proposition that I don't think the early church fathers were the best botanists. And for those of you who have found my line of questioning or just my general presence tedious, first of all, I fully appreciate that reaction. If your history is even remotely correct, that would have ushered in a very different church, if Valentinus's own student Marcus and the Marcosians were involved in psychedelic rituals, then that was an early road not taken, let's say. And does it line up with the promise from John's gospel that anyone who drinks this becomes instantly immortal? We know from the literature hundreds of years beforehand that in Elis, for example, in the Western Peloponnese, on the same Epiphany-type timeline, January 5, January 6, the priests would walk into the temple of Dionysus, leave three basins of water, the next morning they're miraculously transformed into wine. He's joining us from Uruguay, where he has wisely chosen to spend his pandemic isolation. 1,672. BRIAN MURARESKU: We can dip from both pies, Dr. Stang. "@BrianMuraresku with @DocMarkPlotkin The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Lessons from Scholar Karen Armstrong, and Much More" Please enjoy! Then I'll ask a series of questions that follow the course of his book, focusing on the different ancient religious traditions, the evidence for their psychedelic sacraments, and most importantly, whether and how the assembled evidence yields a coherent picture of the past. Now, Carl Ruck from Boston University, much closer to home, however, took that invitation and tried to pursue this hypothesis. Which is a very weird thing today. Now, the great scholar of Greek religion, Walter Burkert, you quote him as musing, once-- and I'm going to quote him-- he says, "it may rather be asked, even without the prospect of a certain answer, whether the basis of the mysteries, they were prehistoric drug rituals, some festival imp of immortality which, through the expansion of consciousness, seemed to guarantee some psychedelic beyond." That there is no hard archaeobotanical, archaeochemical data for spiked beer, spiked wine. Thank you all for joining us, and I hope to see many of you later this month for our next event. And much of the evidence that you've collected is kind of the northern half of the Mediterranean world. Well, the reason I mention Hippolytus and Marcus and focus on that in my evidence is because there's evidence of the Valentinians, who influenced Marcus, in and around Rome. I wish the church fathers were better botanists and would rail against the specific pharmacopeia. Now the archaeologist of that site says-- I'm quoting from your book-- "For me, the Villa Vesuvio was a small farm that was specifically designed for the production of drugs." There aren't any churches or basilicas, right, in the first three centuries, in this era we're calling paleo-Christianity. You become one with Christ by drinking that. let's take up your invitation and move from Dionysus to early Christianity. In my previous posts on the continuity hypothesis . He's talking about kind of psychedelic wine. If they've been doing this, as you suggest, for 2,000 years, nearly, what makes you think that a few ancient historians are going to turn that aircraft carrier around? Eusebius, third into the fourth century, is also talking about them-- it's a great Greek word, [SPEAKING GREEK]. The Immortality Key: The Secret History of the Religion with No Name But I think there's a decent scientific foothold to begin that work. If the Dionysian one is psychedelic, does it really make its way into some kind of psychedelic Christianity? Continuity Hypothesis - Keith E Rice's Integrated SocioPsychology Blog I understand more papers are about to be published on this. And I don't know if there's other examples of such things. This is true. Now are there any other questions you wish to propose or push or-- I don't know, to push back against any of the criticisms or questions I've leveled? This 'pagan continuity hypothesis' with a psychedelic twist is now backed up by biochemistry and agrochemistry and tons of historical research, exposing our forgotten history. What does it mean to die before dying? So again, if there were an early psychedelic sacrament that was being suppressed, I'd expect that the suppressors would talk about it. It still leaves an even bigger if, Dr. Stang, is which one is psychedelic? It was one of the early write-ups of the psilocybin studies coming out of Johns Hopkins. The actual key that I found time and again in looking at this literature and the data is what seems to be happening here is the cultivation of a near-death experience. CHARLES STANG: OK. You see an altar of Pentelic marble that could only have come from the Mount Pentelicus quarry in mainland Greece. I go out of my way, in both parts of the book, which, it's divided into the history of beer and the history of wine, essentially. So let's start, then, the first act. I mean, what-- my big question is, what can we say about the Eucharist-- and maybe it's just my weird lens, but what can we say about it definitively in the absence of the archaeochemstry or the archaeobotany? By which I mean that the Gospel of John suggests that at the very least, the evangelist hoped to market Christianity to a pagan audience by suggesting that Jesus was somehow equivalent to Dionysus, and that the Eucharist, his sacrament of wine, was equivalent to Dionysus's wine. That's how we get to Catalonia. And why, if you're right that the church has succeeded in suppressing a psychedelic sacrament and has been peddling instead, what you call a placebo, and that it has exercised a monstrous campaign of persecution against plant medicine and the women who have kept its knowledge alive, why are you still attached to this tradition? And I think what the pharmaceutical industry can do is help to distribute this medicine. It was the Jesuits who taught me Latin and Greek. What's the importance of your abstention from psychedelics, given what is obvious interest. It's not to say that there isn't evidence from Alexandria or Antioch. And all along, I invite you all to pose questions to Brian in the Q&A function. Hard archaeobotanical, archaeochemical data, I haven't seen it. So I see-- you're moving back and forth between these two. And what, if any, was the relationship between those ancient Greeks and the real religion of the earliest Christians, who might call the paleo-Christians. I would expect we'd have ample evidence. Now, Brian managed to write this book while holding down a full time practice in international law based in Washington DC. I'm happy to be proven wrong. In the same place in and around Pompeii, this is where Christianity is really finding its roots. She found the remains of dog sacrifice, which is super interesting. What's the wine? And for some reason, I mean, I'd read that two or three times as an undergrad and just glossed over that line. BRIAN MURARESKU: Right. It seems to me, though, that the intensity and the potency of the psychedelic experience is of an order of magnitude different than what I may have experienced through the Eucharist. What was the real religion of the ancient Greeks? Many people see that as symbolic or allegorical or just a nice thing, which is not the case. "The Jews" are not after Ye. And so I do see an avenue, like I kind of obliquely mentioned, but I do think there's an avenue within organized religion and for people who dedicate their lives as religious professionals to ministry to perhaps take a look at this in places where it might work. So after the whole first half of the book-- well, wait a minute, Dr. Stang. So in the mountains and forests from Greece to Rome, including the Holy Land and Galilee. I mean, the honest answer is not much. I'm sure he knows this well, by this point. BRIAN MURARESKU: I'm bringing more illumination. And I want to say that this question that we've been exploring the last half hour about what all this means for the present will be very much the topic of our next event on February 22, which is taking up the question of psychedelic chaplaincy. The Tim Ferriss Show | iHeart Books about pagan continuity hypothesis? : r/AskHistorians - reddit Part 1 Brian C. Muraresku: The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis and the Hallucinogenic Origins of Religion - Feb 22, 2023 We have other textual evidence. And when I read psychedelic literature or I read the literature on near-death experiences, I see experiences similar to what I experienced as a young boy. We still have almost 700 with us. I wonder if you're familiar with Wouter Hanegraaff at the University of Amsterdam. I appreciate this. But with what were they mixed, and to what effect? And I think that's an important distinction to make. Yeah. Like in a retreat pilgrimage type center, or maybe within palliative care. #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian Church of the Saints Faustina and Liberata, view from the outside with the entrance enclosure, at "Sante" place, Capo di Ponte (Italy). And another: in defending the pagan continuity hypothesis, Muraresku presumes a somewhat non-Jewish, pagan-like Jesus, while ignoring the growing body of psychedelic literature, including works by . Tim Ferriss Show #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin: The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Psychedelics, and More. So what have you learned about the Eleusinian mysteries in particular since Ruck took this up, and what has convinced you that Ruck's hypothesis holds water? #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Lessons from Scholar Karen Armstrong, and Much More from The Tim Ferriss Show on Podchaser, aired Wednesday, 28th December 2022. But when it comes to that Sunday ritual, it just, whatever is happening today, it seems different from what may have motivated the earliest Christians, which leads me to very big questions.

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