Im sure that this was meant to be funny but I can tell that you seem bitter. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. Attending all three, in my opinion, is optional. I actually looked up the word just now (Random House Websters College Dictionary), and here are the definitions: 3.) The IFB Insidious Fundamental Baptist Church . However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. If you believe that your health issue is the result of sin in your life, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 49. It is awful that they put the rules and instructions of their mythology ahead of their love for 54. They had made an idol out of church attendance. They are already spelled out in the Bible. To love Jesus is to love his word and follow his commands because we love him. Romans 5:8 is about salvation. 21 And when you swear by the Temple, you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. If you believe everything said in this article then you must not have spent much or any time in a fundamental church. I do agree that any time when you have health issues its because of sin which is why God allows pain and suffering. Its the inspired word of God. If a child is behaving like a child (i.e., appropriate for his/her age), but you think they are being misbehaving and rebellious, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 40. The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. You wont go in yourselves, and you dont let others enter either. Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. Oh well, maybe another discussion. Jesus forgave me and Im going to choose to forgive others regardless if they want it. I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. Gods will was for me to forgive. I dont believe some of the Catholic doctrine is true, but all have belief in things they believe and unbelief in things they dont believe. when you run into her at Wal*Mart. This is because we live in this flesh. If you believe that stateaccreditationfor a college is bad because it means that the government dictates what that college can/does teach,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 30. If you think anything other than a suit and tie for men is too casual for Sundays, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 11. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be. (Genesis 2:24; Genesis 19:5, 13; Genesis 26:8-9; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:26-29; 1 Corinthians 5:1, 6:9; 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8; Hebrews 13:4). Members all so giving that it made me want to be a giving person. 1 John 1:9 I cant stand when preachers pound the pulpits because its distracting and irritating for me though I am not against preachers yelling as long as they dont yell too loud. Anybody who opposes the IFB teaching is bitter Cant say that because anybody who opposes BIBLICAL teaching is spiritually blind because they dont know the truth. I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. 48. Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. I love the Lord with all my heart-I attend church when I want and where I wantbut mostly I have bible studies with Christian friends in coffee shops, homes, and restaurants and (I usually have on a pair of blue jeans. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. Does the lord convict me when I miss? Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. Then, I can display my tolerance by making of list of things that I disagree with someone else about and make fun of them. Yes, I have countless emails and comments from people who were ready to give up on their faith until they read this site and realized that the IFB was in error not them. 50. The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. I read Matthew 23 just before writing. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. Hypocrites! I received these because of lies that I was single with no income. Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. Can God heal if it be his will yes he can. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. Read one thing, make a judgment that Im just bitter and move on. Ill fight against the abusive traditions and teachings of the IFB till I die. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. Independent Fundamental Baptist or Bible-Believing Baptist) are a particularly cranky fundamentalist branch of unaffiliated If you attend a church that has a team of men who are charged with keeping an attendance count each Sunday, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 43. The lost in the world watch us Christians closer than we know. If you laugh (snicker, sneer, roll your eyes, etc.) How will you escape the judgment of hell? I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? They are shared in my article about tithing: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. 9 And dont address anyone here on earth as Father, for only God in heaven is your Father. Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; I Peter 1:18-19). operating or proceeding inconspicuously but with grave effect. He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthyfull of greed and self-indulgence! Happily a brainwashed Bible-folk for about 28 years with more peace in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and a firm foundation of absolute truth to stand on (yes, thats the KV, haha!). A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith 9. [1], New IFB churches have caused controversy on several occasions, because of their opposition to homosexuality. She told her son Kenneth, who was 16, he had to start attending the academy and the church with her. is Looking to God for missionaries to help expand the vision and ministries of G.F.F. The Bible is inspired and preserved by God and carries His absolute authority. No, its only announced in the powers points as a time and place. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin. Believe it or not I can find time to pray while at the same time not sending my loved ones to an abusive church. (Romans 13:1-7; Ephesians 5:21-6:4; Hebrews 13:17; I Peter 2:13-15). (Job 3:16; Psalm 51:5; 139:14-16; Isaiah 44:24; 49:1, 5; Jeremiah 1:5; 20:15-18; Luke 1:44), We believe that God has ordained and created all authority which consists of three basic institutions: (1) the home, (2) the church, and (3) the state. [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. Baptism of believers by immersion in water symbolizes sincere faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection with the desire to walk in newness of life. We believe that God forbids any attempt to alter one's God-given gender identity by any means, including surgery or appearance. Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. Dont throw your pearls to pigs! Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? Also, please scroll up for additional information regarding your objections which Ive responded to ad nauseam. sad stuff particularly the responses from obviously brainwashed bible folks. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? Get over it and work to rebuild the relationships instead of tearing down. If you believe that everyone who opposes IFB doctrine is just bitter, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 48. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the Praise the lord God made salvation a gift, or I probably wouldnt have received it. And I know you included that on your list, but there is a difference between joking and bitterness and I can see it in the comments as well as the post. Those who judge people like that WILL BE judged the same way, PERIOD. In fact, if you're single you know what I'm talking about. Illustration by Don Pfaffe appearing in the Central Conservative Baptist Quarterly (II Corinthians 12:12; I Corinthians 13:8; Hebrews 2:3-4; Mark 16:17-20; I Corinthians 1:22, 14:21-22). The explosion caused property damage but no injuries or deaths. I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. 51. Most pastors skip virtue, usually because they just dont know any better. Hypocrites! 5 Everything they do is for show. Members come into the church personally, individually, and freely. [2] They are described by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as "a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings." We got saved that day September 14, 2014. 19. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their You might be a hypocrite if you dedicate a whole website to exposing deception while using it.??? 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. 33 Snakes! Preachers should not put their congregation under constraint. That being said, I just want to warn the author about injecting too much of his own agenda into these posts. The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? The bitterness argument has been answered many times. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. You ALWAYS have your KJV Bible with you at church, and turn to numerous verses each sermon. WebGetting to it. Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Not of works, lest any man should boast. The Lord is doing His work in ths world through local churches. I dont even know what a Scofield Bible is but I believe God can use divorced people. Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). I dont see how. If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. Stop this shamefulness, as you hurt the ministry of our Lord. People are more willing to change their ways when confronted in love rather then with criticism and bitterness. Apart from Him we can do nothing. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. 19:13-15. They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. If you believe that attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 36. Ephesians 2:8-9 Welpjust commented for the sake of the few who posted comments and clearly are rowing the same boat as I! This is because primarily I am a Bible Believer and if church doctrine of any individual church does not line with scripture, then this so called doctrine is nothing more than a vain tradition. Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. That is contrary to Bible doctrine for a pastor. If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. If you think that secular music (i.e., anything other than old time gospel hymns) is sinful, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 19. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. That makes no sense. This is very good. I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. 16 Blind guides! If you think that anything other than what your church teaches about salvation is easy believism, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. If you are really interested in finding out about my poor experiences with the IFB please read the website rather than make assumptions. N/A Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. We fellowship with sister churches of like precious faith and practice, and support missionaries sent forth by the authority of such churches. God cant forgive you if Jesus didnt save you. If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. I was told that I could not work in one of my passionate ministries, infant, toddler, and 3-4 year olds because of something I did in my past 14 years ago and pastor told me I have to prove myself first. Pastor and his wife did pay for the reception, photography, and shower. I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. You seem to enjoy copying and pasting scripture with no explanation or apparent relevance to the discussion so I thought Id give it a try also. Just because we forgive people doesnt mean we are obligated to marry them or anything else. 46. What a stupid thing to say. 20. From my perspective turning people away from the IFB is turning them towards God. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. The word fundamental simply means that we adhere to the fundamentals (basics) of the true Christian faith. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 If you pray using KJV language (thee, though, ye, etc. Neither should control the other. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. I dont think having two revivals a year is a bad thing as they word states we should continue to get together as believers. Or deciding not to clap for special music? What if it had been biting you for 5, 10, 15, or (in my case) 25 years and you managed to finally escape would you go back or send a love one to pet it? It teaches parents to use their authority to prod, guide, and correct their children. Why wouldnt I stand up for something I believe in? We believe that , lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography are perversions of God's intended purposes and therefore, sin. The members were so sweet to us. 3 1/2 years ago we were addicted to marijuana, cigarettes, alcohol, and pills. We believe his power is supernatural, yet limited; and that he cannot act without the permission of God (Job 1:6-12; I John 4:4). 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. Every proposition presented for action of the church must be introduced by motion of one member and seconded by another. This is assuming that the parable of the prodigal son is some kind of instruction on how to deal with a troubled child No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. Yes, we have strife and faults and hypocrites. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Marriage for two people that want to make a life together is biblical. I agree some are or at least seem to be what most consider legalistic. If you think that the hymnal in the pew is inspired by God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 23. Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. 2. We dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. People are people and free to choose their own way. If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. 5. We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until the second resurrection, when with soul and body reunited they shall appear at the Great White Throne Judgment, and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to suffer everlasting, conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; Matthew 25:41-46; II Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 6-7; Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 20:11-15).
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