Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. They kill big animals. Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. Fish and Game then deny the evidence. I've seen him in the woods and that was not a bobcat but I was looking at. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. It's unfortunate that that kind of thing happens as often as it does. If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. So hard to know hard to refute if there's no interest in making up a story which many people of course do then I would respond the same way as Pat did. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. I've had a number of people call up and say I found a scout in the woods and I want it DNA identified. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. So we're fixated on natural but there's other possibilities. So now what's going on. I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. Well within there. Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. Is that typically what was happening there. Reviewing the evidence, the U.S. But my experience was that the majority of these accounts could not be taken lightly. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. David Erler says some of them probably have. Yes. In fact, Pat Tate concedes that hes been told of sightings from folks that he considers to be very credible, very woods savvypeople who know what a bobcat looks likebut those folks have never snapped a good photo or found a good track. Early in the morning. Mountain lions leave a lot of sign. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. We're going to talk a little bit more about habitat first but then we'll get into sightings. So and so they so they do get pretty involved. Your support makes this news available to everyone. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. Caller: Yeah I hadn't experienced blastoff fall so this was around September and I was driving from Webster into Concord on Horse Hill Road and anybody in the area would know I was right near the Red Barn and all of a sudden this animal jumps out of the woods and it bounded across the road in about two two giant leaps and stopped in the field just on the other side. Just. Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. (Cue the X-Files music: The Government is denying the cougars exist!) This decision was primarily for nerdy phylogeny reasons, though, because the eastern cougar probably never existed. Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. It's listed as population of least concern. You don't know what's going on. Caller: So I've been telling this story for five years or so and very few people believe me. A 140-pound male mountain lion was hit by a car and killed in 2011 in Milford, Connecticut. What gets confusing is when you have a large adult animal and a smaller juvenile animal of a different species you can now step start beginning talking about overlapping body weights and sizes. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. Now that to me seemed to indicate that they had done the secondary workup that in my opinion proved the existence of probably a disperse or possibly from South Dakota like the one in 2011. The number 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 so promised a discussion about conspiracy theories. Ecosystem Management Consultants of New England, Ask Sam, and recently fielded question about mountain lions, 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020, We also hear excerpts from an interview with, Read about the most recent cougar "sightings". Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. You saw what you saw. We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. Infinite Scroll Enabled. Yes and you want to share what you learned. Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. Some are included in lists of mountains, such as the Appalachian Mountain Club (AMC) list of the Hundred Highest peaks of New England, or the . If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange. Copyright New Hampshire Fish and Game Department.An official New Hampshire government website. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. Listeners give us a call if you'd like. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. Peter Biello: Well John thanks very much for the story really appreciate it. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. This is a machine-generated transcript, and may contain errors. Let us know your story and share your photos. I think as Pat was saying you know 35 to 50 pounds on a male be reasonable range whereas mountain lions you're up to 100 110 maybe even 130 pounds on a big male. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. So one thing that I find fascinating about this Connecticut cat was six months between the New York situation where they found evidence of it too when it was hit by a motor vehicle. Patrick Tate: Same here in New Hampshire too. Every other Friday on Morning Edition NHPRs Sam Evans-Brown tracks down answers to questions about the environment and outdoors for our listeners in a segment we call Ask Sam.. Let's talk to Mike in Webster. Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasnt been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885. So there's even debate about that very subject. Rick your thoughts. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. The great thing about pictures isn't the animal itself it's the background. Seems reasonable! They create these scrapes where theyre communicating with each other with scent. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. Thank you. Updated: 9:53 AM EST Dec 6, 2016. The DNA the DNA that they were able to pull from the cat suggested that it was a dispersed mountain lion that came. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. 1957. Sue Morse: First and foremost if you have color or if you could see details of color look at the front of the face around the Pumas muzzle the muzzle itself is pure white. Mountain lions don't usually travel more than 100 miles from where they are born. Select image for larger view. We mentioned that one cat that was hit by a car where it has it that it was a male looking for me. Rick van de Poll: 80 90. Its distinctive featurethe one that sets it apart from other North American wild catsis its tail, which is thick and often as long as its body. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. Is this kind of a typical story. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. But before I go any further I want to say we do not have sufficient game. Caller: Oh yeah. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. So what a neat experience. Sam what's the incentive for the government to deny allegedly. And it's not really strong. M from Tree Hill author series presenting Diane lay back. And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. I'm gonna send you a letter that we researched this report and we spoke with those labs and the lab wrote in their letter to us that they could only say that Scott contained white Tea Party fur and that they could not say what deposited the scout because it's far too degraded listeners we'd love to hear from you about your mountain lion sightings if you have seen one or if you if you think you have give us a call we'd love to hear your story 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. They sent it already. John is calling from Bennington. Peter Biello: Nice to be here. What kind of animal is that. Want to put this to to Patrick Tate who may have heard some some info or info from listeners like you about these these these cats. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. I found a second scat scent both to him. One was in Shelton. Rick van de Poll: Absolutely. If so that's for us as an agency. Absolutely. Caller: I cannot recall or see the tail in my in my image of it. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. Id like to hazard the explanation that we really, really want to see a mountain lion. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. He played a pivotal role and he battled for recognition. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. Peter Biello: Oh okay. About two years ago I was at the Laconia airport on the way home from the airport and there's a big lake on one side called Lily Pond. So one thing I'll add. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. It was not a bobcat. Patrick Tate: I don't believe it is. He said matter of fact I do. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction. Pat ruse and he was sampling doing DNA samples from cats in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. I came to a stop and it was and I've seen a lot of bobcats in my time and I just came to a stop it was just sort of confused about what I was seeing. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. Email exchange it an HP fraud org or give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. And I have to use that word allegedly because there is so much dispute about what people see and what they actually see. The western mountain lion lives in a more of a grassland open area now so to blend in with a very lighted situation here in the Northeast we are very shadowy dark situation because of the forest and our cats wear a darker brownish reddish color than what they were and they were also smaller than what the western mountain lion is. Yet this young male traveled about 1,800 miles. So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. Have a photo. She was having a garden party on her back porch and everybody in the party saw this mountain lion across the field down below the porch. Lions Clubs Int'l Links: LionNet NH Links 2011 -2012 . You know perhaps poke around where you saw it and see if you can find a track. I have no doubt that there are mountain lion roaming New Hampshire. Tim Yeah. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. And I just said I saw I saw they from behind the shoulder all the way past the long tail. Patrick Tate: I've from all the situations I've read and learned about wildlife. There's no attraction. It's good to talk to you. Sam. 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Since 1917, Lions clubs have offered people the opportunity to give something back to their communities. Post your sightings and NH photos here! From: Boomerdog in OK 08-Oct-07 Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. But but I've also seen it cited the opposite way that look they're very secretive. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all. Like why would you want one wildlife. Is there something particularly hospitable about New Hampshire Forests that make them want to come here. Peter Biello: There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. 235 or nhandy@ledgertranscript.com. 1957. Mountain lions can be found throughout Arizona, and data suggests the populations are not only stable, but growing. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. Sue Morse: The big cat really commands the utmost respect not so much fear but fascination. You need you need either a really good photograph or you need you know fresh scat that can be sent to a lab out West that can they can be identified there. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. Thanks for your call. I have one that's more elaborate than that. 44-N Links. That's pretty elaborate. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online.
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